RedRam2005
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 7:03:15 PM
Raising the speed limit on the toil roads may be the only way they can increase usage and thereby income to the state. The cost and additional distance are limiting factors...paying money to foreign owned companies is a pain in the rear end and pocket book.
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benjy
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2012 2:24:53 AM
yawn...
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 10:55:01 PM
drpepperTX - "Actually I admit freely to my mistakes! Here's an example, I remember telling a liberal friend of mine that I thought Obama would would be an OK President, that he would probably get in and make some needed changes, afterall he had come out against raising the debt ceiling as a Senator. Another one I really like was his promise to restrict former lobbyists from his administration but he didn't come thru very well with that either. Anyway I was really wrong on that stuff."
True. Rather than any kind of leader, he's turned out to be your usual, run-of-the-mill, nothing much politician.
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BIGOILEATURCRUD
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2012 5:21:52 PM
Sorry drp, it's not fuel prices killing the GnOP - it's the splinters.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2012 5:12:18 PM
Actually I admit freely to my mistakes! Here's an example, I remember telling a liberal friend of mine that I thought Obama would would be an OK President, that he would probably get in and make some needed changes, afterall he had come out against raising the debt ceiling as a Senator. Another one I really like was his promise to restrict former lobbyists from his administration but he didn't come thru very well with that either. Anyway I was really wrong on that stuff.
As to the $3, punctuation is very important. "the price did not drop significantly until after the election.<(see the period) $3 gas was still a killer to Republican hopefuls."
I was partly at fault for not spelling it out precisely. If you think about it, I probably should have said that since $3 was still very prevalent up until late October OCT 20 2008 USA average $2.91 West coast $3.28 was still a killer to Republican hopefuls. So if you want to call me out as a liar for that so be it.
We'll get to the next step later, fixing to prepare a meal for the family!
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2012 3:42:16 PM
Just like you posted a lie: "LOL, the price did not drop significantly until after the election. $3 gas was still a killer to Republican hopefuls."
The difference being, I admitted I made a mistake.
[Edited by: rjhenn at 4/13/2012 4:45:12 PM EST]
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2012 2:45:39 PM
Excellent rj, we have a YES.
So now we have proven you posted a lie, "By the election, the average price for regular was $1.72"
What's the proof, you ask? Well, you exposed it yourself with your follow up "Actually, this site says that, as of 10/30/2008, the average price of a gallon regular gas was right around $2.50".
[Edited by: drpepperTX at 4/13/2012 3:48:42 PM EST]
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2012 1:55:39 PM
Try actually reading what I've already posted.
You might understand what's happened that way, instead of me explaining it to you point by point.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 12, 2012 10:58:26 PM
rjhenn, I reckon I'll have to go slowly, one at a time.
We'll start here, are you denying you said in your Message Posted: Apr 11, 2012 5:07:43 PM Ignore rjhenn Report Abuse
"The price dropped from a high of over $4 a gallon in July to under $2 by the middle of October. By the election, the average price for regular was $1.72."
[Edited by: rjhenn at 4/11/2012 6:08:58 PM EST]
This requires a YES or NO answer only.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 12, 2012 9:09:22 AM
drpepperTX - "rj, "The price dropped from a high of over $4 a gallon in July to under $2 by the middle of October" YOUR ORIGINAL QUOTE."
Right. As I said: "While I can find lots of quotes on the Internet of a price of $1.72 a gallon on Nov 3, 2008, none of them seems to be an original source, so that may not be valid." Those same quotes claim a price under $2 by the middle of October 2008.
"Then rj comes back with 'as of 10/30/2008, the average price of a gallon regular gas was right around $2.50,'
I just love folks catching and trapping themselves in misinformation!!!!"
You mean like: "LOL, the price did not drop significantly until after the election. $3 gas was still a killer to Republican hopefuls."
"All this humiliation of being trapped in lies could be avoided with just a LITTLE homework! After the fact is just too late, but ideologists just never get that. They show it over and over again!"
Yes, you do.
"P.S. you claim I said "near the election. Still a lot less than your $3 a gallon." but as you can plainly see I said " it was not until mid Oct that prices dropped to $3 per gallon." my comment is supported, yours were proven inaccurate at best."
As noted above, you said: "LOL, the price did not drop significantly until after the election. $3 gas was still a killer to Republican hopefuls."
Your own sources disagree with you.
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Apr 12, 2012 5:04:13 AM
if nothing else, rather entertaining conversations, though some folks do better in their homework than others.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2012 8:30:41 PM
rj, "The price dropped from a high of over $4 a gallon in July to under $2 by the middle of October" YOUR ORIGINAL QUOTE.
Then rj comes back with "as of 10/30/2008, the average price of a gallon regular gas was right around $2.50,"
I just love folks catching and trapping themselves in misinformation!!!!
All this humiliation of being trapped in lies could be avoided with just a LITTLE homework! After the fact is just too late, but ideologists just never get that. They show it over and over again!
P.S. you claim I said "near the election. Still a lot less than your $3 a gallon." but as you can plainly see I said " it was not until mid Oct that prices dropped to $3 per gallon." my comment is supported, yours were proven inaccurate at best.
Your credibility is hovering just above zero. And that's only because you realize your many mistaken comments.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2012 7:36:16 PM
drpepperTX - "Shooting from the hip again??? This very sight and HERE show a very different story from yours, but we are getting used to that. That pesky homework again! ;=)"
Actually, this site says that, as of 10/30/2008, the average price of a gallon regular gas was right around $2.50, and dropping.
While I can find lots of quotes on the Internet of a price of $1.72 a gallon on Nov 3, 2008, none of them seems to be an original source, so that may not be valid. This says it was $2.28 a gallon near the election. Still a lot less than your $3 a gallon.
In fact, your own source says the price of a gallon of regular was $2.66 near the end of October and was $2.40 the day before the election.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2012 6:01:52 PM
rj, "The price dropped from a high of over $4 a gallon in July to under $2 by the middle of October. By the election, the average price for regular was $1.72."
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Shooting from the hip again??? This very sight and HERE show a very different story from yours, but we are getting used to that. That pesky homework again! ;=)
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2012 5:07:43 PM
drpepperTX - "LOL, the price did not drop significantly until after the election. $3 gas was still a killer to Republican hopefuls. Yes, that is the opposite of your conclusion."
The price dropped from a high of over $4 a gallon in July to under $2 by the middle of October. By the election, the average price for regular was $1.72.
"rj, ruh roh, you're wrong again, in early May 2011 oil was about $102/ bbl and gas was averaging over $3.90 / gal."
Yet in July 2008, oil was about $145/bbl and gas was at $4.11.
"Stumped on my other questions???"
No, just not paying attention to diversions.
"The price of the raw gas is about the same as the U.S., but Europe taxes gasoline at a higher rate. Taxes in France make up about 70 percent of the pump price!"
Yes, taxes are responsible for the big difference between US and European gas prices.
[Edited by: rjhenn at 4/11/2012 6:08:58 PM EST]
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2012 7:42:51 AM
Honda0105, " If the price of a barrel is about the same, then why are European prices about double or higher than in the US?"
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Honda wants to blame oil companies for the pump prices in Europe and use that as an example of oil controlling distillate pricing???
Aaaaah, the naïveté of the class warfare troops!
The price of the raw gas is about the same as the U.S., but Europe taxes gasoline at a higher rate. Taxes in France make up about 70 percent of the pump price! And will probably only go higher with the ongoing global warming hoax.
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SavingInNC
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2012 5:10:24 AM
Crazy
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2012 4:57:27 AM
Pig Oil may not control the price of CRUDE oil, but it sure has a good grip on the control of DISTILLATES. If the price of a barrel is about the same, then why are European prices about double or higher than in the US? They don't just buy the Brent Sea crude, but they buy from the Middle East and other African countries just the same (see Libya and Italy for example).
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2012 7:19:34 PM
That's right BackwoodsPundit, eternity- driving across Texas at 55 mph!
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2012 7:07:46 PM
rj, "So having prices drop just before the election "supports the opposite of [my] conclusion"? Seems that actually supports my theory."
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LOL, the price did not drop significantly until after the election. $3 gas was still a killer to Republican hopefuls. Yes, that is the opposite of your conclusion.
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rj, "The last time gas prices were this high, oil cost about a third more."
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rj, ruh roh, you're wrong again, in early May 2011 oil was about $102/ bbl and gas was averaging over $3.90 / gal.
Homework, not shooting from the hip, will help.
Stumped on my other questions???
[Edited by: drpepperTX at 4/10/2012 8:09:13 PM EST]
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BackwoodsPundit
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2012 6:47:42 PM
If you have ever driven in texas you know in many places 80 still feels like you are standing still. Its one of the few states I would consider flying from city to city
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2012 6:12:46 PM
drpepperTX - "Back to more homework, gas prices were highest during the height of the campaign (late summer-early fall), it was not until mid Oct that prices dropped to $3 per gallon. The timing supports the opposite of your conclusion. Once BO was in the results of his energy 'policy' took effect and here we are."
So having prices drop just before the election "supports the opposite of [my] conclusion"? Seems that actually supports my theory.
"That in no way lends credence to your statement. They have to buy oil at market prices."
The last time gas prices were this high, oil cost about a third more.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2012 5:50:28 PM
rj, "Then why did the price drop "just before the election"?
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Back to more homework, gas prices were highest during the height of the campaign (late summer-early fall), it was not until mid Oct that prices dropped to $3 per gallon. The timing supports the opposite of your conclusion. Once BO was in the results of his energy 'policy' took effect and here we are.
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rj, "They're the ones refining and selling it."
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That in no way lends credence to your statement. They have to buy oil at market prices.
Did oil companies decide to unconstitutionally shut down offshore production?
Did they decide to spend trillions on 'stimulus' thus devaluing the dollar?
Did they decide to sanction Iran?
Did they decide to implement 'Quantative easing' devaluing the dollar further?
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clpassenubye
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2012 2:10:23 PM
good
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2012 1:31:45 PM
drpepperTX - "Exactly, with Reid and Pelosi in control of the purse strings. Is it possible the Dems policy wanted to get gas price high just before the election, as you mentioned, in order to help secure a Dem would win?"
Then why did the price drop "just before the election"? 7;-]
The timing favors the argument that the oil companies wanted to make the Republicans look good.
"Really? How?"
They're the ones refining and selling it.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2012 1:22:25 PM
rjhenn, "But the oil companies have a lot more influence on it than the President does. And the oil companies do control the price of gasoline."
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Really? How?
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2012 1:04:37 PM
rjhenn, "Sure was. And it was about $4 just a few months before the election."
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Exactly, with Reid and Pelosi in control of the purse strings. Is it possible the Dems policy wanted to get gas price high just before the election, as you mentioned, in order to help secure a Dem would win?
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rjhenn, "And how was it that gas prices started to climb practically the moment that BO was inaugurated? 7;-]"
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Funny how that works huh? BO comes in announcing an aggressive policy against oil, which Reid and Pelosi avidly support, in favor of 'green' based on the hoax of Global Warming. Remember, the inconvenient FACT that not only Obama but his Energy Secretary, Dr. Chu, both said they'd love to see European gas prices in order to make 'green' appear more affordable.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2012 11:08:24 AM
honda0105 - Ain't that the truth. I used to commute weekly between Dallas and West Texas. A whole lot of nothing much.
Of course, driving across most of Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, N & S Dakota, New Mexico and Arizona isn't much different. Some of it's just a bit greener.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2012 11:04:46 AM
drpepperTX - ":=), nope rj, oil companies do not control the price of oil. The global market decides that."
But the oil companies have a lot more influence on it than the President does. And the oil companies do control the price of gasoline.
"I was simply pointing out to amchornetx that facts are in fact, facts. Do you disagree that gasoline was right around $1.80 the day Bush left office and Obama was inaugurated?"
Sure was. And it was about $4 just a few months before the election.
"Then, after Obama was inaugurated, with control of the House and Senate, did we not see a repeat climb back into almost those same summer of 2008 highs, where we currently are now (and it's not even Memorial Day)?"
And how was it that gas prices started to climb practically the moment that BO was inaugurated? 7;-]
"Reid and Pelosi drove the economy into the worst recession since the Great Depression, with a little help from Barney (Freddie and Fannie are "just fine") Frank, in order to get Hillary or Barry elected. Only a true 'hopium' addict would call that a credit though!!! :=}"
Of course, the Bush tax cuts helped (weaken the economy) a lot. As well as all the off-budget spending in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2012 5:03:41 AM
for those having driven through Texas, esp. San Antonio to El Paso, you will probably appreciate the "legal" 80 mph a lot more than those armchair warriors. When it was 55 (and to some degree 60 and 65) many moons ago, the trip was an agonizing 8 - 9 hours with nothing to see as the Guadalupe Mountains would just remain like a mirage hovering on the horizon.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2012 10:33:07 PM
"Gas price were at $1.80 because GW was leaving office so it was a credit to Reid and Pelosi."
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Wow, amchornetx hits the nail on the head! Reid and Pelosi drove the economy into the worst recession since the Great Depression, with a little help from Barney (Freddie and Fannie are "just fine") Frank, in order to get Hillary or Barry elected. Only a true 'hopium' addict would call that a credit though!!! :=}
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amchornetx
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2012 10:02:04 PM
Gas price were at $1.80 because GW was leaving office so it was a credit to Reid and Pelosi. GW's failed economic and domestic policies lead the nation to the worst recession taking us back since the Great Depression.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2012 9:55:09 PM
:=), nope rj, oil companies do not control the price of oil. The global market decides that. Democrat policy, especially when it comes to deficit spending (devaluation of the dollar which oil commodity trading is based on), forces the world price of oil higher.
I was simply pointing out to amchornetx that facts are in fact, facts. Do you disagree that gasoline was right around $1.80 the day Bush left office and Obama was inaugurated? Can you or amchornetx show me that post Katrina (summer 2005) and then beginning in 2006 after Reid and Pelosi took control, that gas prices did not begin their climb to all time highs? Then, after Obama was inaugurated, with control of the House and Senate, did we not see a repeat climb back into almost those same summer of 2008 highs, where we currently are now (and it's not even Memorial Day)?
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2012 1:08:32 PM
drpepperTX - "I'm fully aware where prices went the summer of 2008, and perfectly understand how the climb began as soon as Reid and Pelosi took control of the government purse strings!"
So are you saying that the oil companies raise prices to make the Democrats look bad and lower them to try to get Republicans elected? 7;-]
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2012 7:24:25 AM
LOL, amchornetx, try learning a little history. Credibility comes with knowledge!
The truth shall set you free!
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N5EXY
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2012 12:45:07 AM
Dumb.
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amchornetx
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 10:13:13 PM
drpepper, spoken w/ true blinders!
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 9:00:46 PM
amchornetx, the last thing you'll EVER see me doing is looking with blinders.
I'm fully aware where prices went the summer of 2008, and perfectly understand how the climb began as soon as Reid and Pelosi took control of the government purse strings!
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amchornetx
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 6:56:43 PM
drpepper..........look at how gas prices were rising prior to period you're talking about, stop looking with blinders!
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 4:51:06 PM
No amchornetx, ignorance is denial that gas was at an average of $1.83 in the winter of 2008 and Jan '09. SIDEKICKFL was spot on.
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sparky808
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 4:17:20 PM
Thank you for posting.
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blupupher
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 7:57:45 AM
danreino says "Whats it to ya ? Most people in Texas got money coming out of their @$$^0(#$ anyway."
What an ignorant statement. Not everyone in Texas (or any other state) is rich.
This is just 56 total miles added to the 80 mph limit (and as I said before, the limit was already 70-75 mph).
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celtic14
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 7:32:14 AM
mpg611 said: "Someone shouldve told that social conservative crook Nixon back in the day when he created the National Speed Limit 55 mph. Just another RINO of history."
That same RINO also created the EcoGestapo, a.k.a. the EPA. No doubt he has his own especially agonizing corner of Hell.
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07skydriver
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 7:02:33 AM
Just stay home.
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Caduceus26
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 6:33:19 AM
Many years ago the speed limit was lowered to 55 MPH on the premise that lives were saved and less gasoline would be used. Now with gasoline prices at near record levels speed limits are going up? Go figure!
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DrCashFlow
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 4:25:01 AM
track meets
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NO_SWEAT
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 1:30:33 AM
Speed limit UP - Gas mileage DOWN
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amchornetx
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 12:26:55 AM
SIDEKICKFL..........that's pure ignorance speaking, look at what the price of gas was doing during GW's administration, the summer of '08 we were paying $4.00/gal.
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amchornetx
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2012 12:04:04 AM
Who'd want to visit Texas anyway............just gets you out of there quicker!
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52MPG
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2012 11:54:15 PM
Good for Texas.
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