honda0105

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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2012 8:49:55 AM
Sorry LEC, diesel is VERY low flammability... it's greasy, but it takes a LOT of compression to ignite diesel. Heck, I've seen an idiot throw a LIT cigarette into a bucket of diesel and NOTHING happened--ok, the cigarette went out, that was it. Even heard someone talk about them welding (!) some tank on a big truck WITH the diesel in the tank. Gasoline? ummm... wouldn't want to mix gasoline (or even NG) up with diesel.
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LetemEatCake

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Oklahoma City
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 9:14:01 AM
joel27nc...
Actually, NG is much safer than gasoline. It has a limited range of flammability, meaning it requires the correct mixture of air and fuel to burn—somewhere in the 5 to 15 percent range, and an ignition temperature of approximately 1100 degrees F. Compare that to gasoline and diesel fuel which both have lower concentrations of flammability and lower temperatures of ignition.
Fuel Density.... Natural gas is lighter than air. If a leak were to develop, the gas would rise and disperse through the atmosphere giving little chance for ignition. Compare that to gasoline and diesel fuel, both of which are dense liquids that tend to pool and are easily ignitable.
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pbug101

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Georgia
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 5:32:56 AM
Ok
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numbers

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North Dakota
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2012 1:17:15 AM
Hate to fill bar-b-q
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Focus2

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 11:31:42 PM
What happens to natural gas prices here once Wall Street decides to hedge bets with natural gas? Will we have to pay world prices for a domestic product? Right now, it is not the preferred transportation fuel. I saw on TV news today that Chrysler is coming out with a pickup truck that runs on CNG and possibly gasoline too. Will be sold to the public by July this year. They now will join the Honda Civic GX for CNG vehicles. As for exporting natural gas, LNG is the gas that refineries want to export to other countries.
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joel27nc

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Raleigh
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 11:09:41 PM
Natural gas under high pressure storage refuling autos is dangerous.
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Gassed01

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Toronto
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 11:06:19 PM
T. Boone is pretty bright. Need some of his brains in Washington.
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regout

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Quebec
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 11:05:55 PM
Nothing does it like 7up.
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TheSicilian

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Jacksonville
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 11:05:31 PM
looking out for himself no doubt
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Pumpz

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Boston
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 11:02:35 PM
No self serving though, right :)
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tampacrvdriver

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Tampa
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 11:02:33 PM
Ulterior motives.
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furiousfowl

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Riverside
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 11:01:58 PM
1 way to find out
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BlueVanGroup

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Colorado
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:57:10 PM
Maybe, but then people will start screaming about "big natgas."
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mcmonsta

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Honolulu
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:55:32 PM
keep it here so we may use it here, seems to make sense
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FastAndy

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Indianapolis
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:54:14 PM
It is time to quit sending so much of our money to our enemies in the Middle East.
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SparkieMi

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Kalamazoo
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:53:41 PM
Interesting... Time will tell....
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mfeldstein

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Ottawa
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:52:52 PM
Pickens is out of his cotton pickens mind.
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Gas4Gore

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Detroit
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:51:39 PM
T Boone Pickens is in this for himself only.
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mrreferee

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Savannah
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:50:59 PM
but it would mean a change in our dependancy on the automobile and our driving habits. how many folks will really give up those?
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rjhenn

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Des Moines
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:50:32 PM
suzmar - "Can anyone believe algae is a realistic alternative?"
Who would have believed that you could farm fish?
Yet look how popular tilapia is now.
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Suzzoom

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Nevada
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:50:20 PM
We still need to push harder to develop cost-effective alternative renewable energy.
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gasaholicMO

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Missouri
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:50:10 PM
We need to move toward natural gas as a fuel, but we also need to realize that natural gas is only a short term fix. We need to develop other energy sources.
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pgerassi

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Milwaukee
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:49:41 PM
Nuclear is more plentiful and cheaper than NG. Its just the unreasoning fear of the stuff that causes the price to be high. Nuclear operationally costs only 0.83 cents per KWH which is the equivalent of NG at 25 cents per therm energy equivalent. If the efficiency of combined cycle power generation is taken into account, that drops to 15 cents per therm which is well below wholesale NG prices.
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g747

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Mobile
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:49:32 PM
I can buy that from T.B.Pickens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
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LaVonneK

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Iowa
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:40:17 PM
Yes. Time will tell.
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rjoeh

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:39:33 PM
Yes... it can make us independent on energy needs as long as it is a player and not the dominant energy source. Coal for large scale energy production is still the best way for that sector of our energy needs and that needs to be kept in the formula while alternate energy sources supplement gas and oil for smaller applications.
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YellowDucky

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St. Louis
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:39:17 PM
doubtful
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suzmar

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Texas
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:32:37 PM
Mr. Pickens is right in that the U.S. should be taking more advantage of a plentiful source of energy instead of dreaming up pie in the sky energy alternatives. Can anyone believe algae is a realistic alternative?
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nance92

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:24:45 PM
Whatever.
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kymechanic

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Kentucky
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:23:20 PM
Will never happen!
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KhelbenArunson

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:22:19 PM
As long as the price of natural gas doesn't spike and put the whole country into a grinder then fine. But I still think we need to continue looking for more alternate choices that are far more controllable.
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Ahking

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:21:02 PM
it's an idea
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kcboy

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Utah
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:19:58 PM
Interesting
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gd83goldwinger

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South Bend
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:13:07 PM
Let's see what happens down the line.
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ssect8

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Hartford
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:12:28 PM
He's full of it and has a big big stake in natural gas, so what else would he say?
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LegoVasavouchi

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Oklahoma
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:12:06 PM
Fascinating.
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boatmen

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New York
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:11:05 PM
Natural Gas is the future We have it. Make Cars that run off it covert power plants to use it
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bcok

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Los Angeles
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:10:14 PM
Give it a try.
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duffee01

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Mississippi
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:07:56 PM
It could be viable if they'll give it a chance.
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Blue48

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:04:03 PM
TIME WILL TELL!
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sillywagon

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New York
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:02:46 PM
Pickens is for whatever energy he believes he can make money off of.
At least this idea from T.Boone Pickens "seems" like a good idea.
Some Americans should send a bird to WashingtonDC. Whenever the term "natural gas" is spoken the bird would tweet "cheap"
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theschmuck

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:01:24 PM
'clermont40miles' has a good one this time along with 'iross94' but one question is where will you ever find 'FAIR' competition in this country. There will be so much crap and mud-slinging going on, you wouldn't recoginize what's going on. I would put no faith in they say nor the gov't either.
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abcdMA

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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 10:01:21 PM
we need to use more natural gas
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knot2swift

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Calgary
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 9:58:18 PM
This agruement is so stupid. My home runs 24-7 and heats on natural gas yet costs less to heat in energy than my car I only drive for 80 minutes a day.
My house wastes far more energy to keep me warm all day than my idiot car does to take me to work.
How friggin stupid do individuals need to be? There's a reason houses heat with Natural Gas. It's cheaper morons! A second stupid is "Why aren't we appling it to cars? Have any of you have any idea how much energy a house wastes? If not truly stupid!
[Edited by: knot2swift at 3/7/2012 11:00:28 PM EST]
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jpd683

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Scranton
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 9:57:00 PM
OOkay
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mstearno

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Dayton
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 9:56:56 PM
where did his wind farm go?
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rf6480

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Miami
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 9:56:07 PM
yep $$$ to be made and Pickens will make a bundle of it.
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rxman1

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Toledo
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 9:56:04 PM
Make it happen without subsidies.
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lross94

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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 9:53:24 PM
I don't have a problem with natural gas, but if it is going to win, it needs to win in the marketplace. I don't want any subsidies for it or any other industry. With fair competition the cream will rise to the top. Fair competition means being able to drill domestically for oil as well. Let the best product win with the government out of the way. Ready...Set...Go!
[Edited by: lross94 at 3/7/2012 10:54:21 PM EST]
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camaro_man

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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2012 9:52:18 PM
wow
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