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E15 Gasoline on Horizon

DTN -- WASHINGTON (DTN) -- Ethanol and farm groups praised an Environmental Protection Agency decision Friday to approve a higher level blend of ethanol known as E15, but the Environmental Working Group announced a campaign to discourage consumers from using it, and an Agriculture Department economist said he did not think it will win acceptance soon.
In formal terms, EPA released an evaluation of information submitted by the Renewable Fuels Association and Growth Energy for satisfying the emissions and health effects data requirements for registration of E15, gasoline containing 15% ethanol.
"This is a remarkable achievement by America's clean, renewable fuels industry, as moving to E15 results in reduced dependence on foreign oil, jobs here in America and consumer savings at the pump," accord


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Submitted Feb 22, 2012 By: bar1035
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:48:45 PM

JediKnight - "I jumbled my phrasing up a bit (By "Regular" I was referring to E0 blend not "Regular/Low" Octane)"

I think I understood you anyway. 7;-]

"(Any E15 showing up at regular and/or blender pumps yet? A friend seems under the impression that E15 is available all over the place. Blender Pumps?)"

I haven't seen any E15 yet, though there seems to be plenty of E85.
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JediKnight
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 5:44:27 PM

rjhenn,

I jumbled my phrasing up a bit (By "Regular" I was referring to E0 blend not "Regular/Low" Octane) ... I appreciate the Iowa E0/E10 situation update. (Any E15 showing up at regular and/or blender pumps yet? A friend seems under the impression that E15 is available all over the place. Blender Pumps?)

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honda0105
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 7:24:37 AM

there used to be one station that kept midgrade at E0. They were forced to changed that about 2 years ago.

There's been a push in the Florida legislature now to change the force EtOH blending. Haven't had time to keep up with it so I don't know if it died in committee.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2012 4:50:21 PM

JediKnight - "Locally in WI counties that aren't required to use E10 you might find some stations offering "Regular" (E0) as an option in Mid and High Octane blends. (Typically High Octane only)"

That's just the opposite of what we've got in Iowa, at least all of Iowa that I've seen so far. Here the pattern is for regular to be E0 (though I'm pretty sure there's a little ethanol in there for pollution control), while Midgrade and Premium are E10. Due to state subsidies, Midgrade is the cheapest, and what gets posted on most signs, with Regular being the next highest in price and Premium being the most expensive.
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JediKnight
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2012 12:08:33 PM

Edpap,

Some of us are REQUIRED to use it per Clean Air Act/EPA requirements.

So via Article VI, Clause 2 (Supremacy Clause) of the US Constitution at least some of what you're suggesting would be illegal.

IF your State/Region didn't require it's use to meet the Clean Air Act... well I guess then you could bar/limit it's use.

Locally in WI counties that aren't required to use E10 you might find some stations offering "Regular" (E0) as an option in Mid and High Octane blends. (Typically High Octane only)

Until a few years ago it was still common to see E0 in all fuel grades outside the EPA's RFG Zone in SE WI. (With maybe some stations offering Mid-Octane "Plus" E10... typically at the same prices as Regular Octane (E0).)


[Edited by: JediKnight at 2/25/2012 1:11:13 PM EST]
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2012 7:22:18 AM

EtOH has never been the answer and it will not be the answer. All it does is drive food prices through the roof.
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Anddy_viper888
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 1:48:26 PM

okay
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Edpap
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:27:47 PM

Each state needs to get ethanol on the ballot this November. Let the states that don't want it, outlaw it. The feds have no business regulating it for use, if the price is right and people want it , they'll buy it. At least now the subsidies are eliminated.
People should not be forced to buy it.
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JediKnight
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 11:29:27 AM

rrtr,

I feel your pain. Course I also learned what water/"bad fuel" (in my case leaving fuel sit in a Snowmobile's Fuel System for almost a year+).

This Snowmobile was performing poorly for YEARS... Because we hadn't done ANYTHING to the Carburetor/Fuel System in like "forever"... except occasionally change the Fuel/Oil Filters and the occasional dose of STA-BIL... but if the Carb has all kinds of junk in it and the Fuel (E10 or E0) is "suspect"... we're fighting the wrong battle.

Locally we've had E10 for years... but a little TLC about two weeks ago and this Snowmobile is back in fighting form.

So next time you might try draining the Fuel in the off-season, stick with fresh stuff and maybe try using some Marine STA-BIL on the "finicky" equipment that can't seem to handle your Local Fuel Supply. Might keep things in check.
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rrtr
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 8:10:37 AM

Kill ALL subsidies for corn problem solved ethanol is bad for most motors believe me I own 6 small motors (they must be drained after every use) and sold a boat that high pressure fuel injection (water in fuel destroys injectors) because ethanol mixes with water and water traps in fuel filters can not separate it..
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 6:53:40 AM

Better be a choice
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HawaiianGuy
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 6:14:15 AM

Ethanol is just one more green agenda that the Federal government is cramming down the throats of it's "subjects". This is nothing more than a Jobs project and political payoff for the Farm Lobby. Get rid of ethanol NOW.
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afghaned
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 2:49:51 AM

Let those that want to use it but give us back straight gas options at the pumps. Legislated use is not in our best interestbut that of a select group only.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 2:06:36 AM

Ethanol and farm groups praised E15 But the Environmental Working Group announced a campaign to discourage consumers from using it.
How can we Not use it if the government says we have to and it is in the gasoline?
With all the ‘newly’ discovered oil and natural gas why produce ethanol?
No ethanol and No fuel from food!
Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. Consider using ‘other’ forms of transportation to help lower your cost.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
12/22/2012!
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bigreddwg
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 1:58:09 AM

I TRULY APPLAUD THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT'S DESIRE TO BECOME ENERGY INDEPENDENT, BUT FOR GOSH SAKES, AREN'T WE HAVING ENOUGH PROBLEMS FROM THE E-10 ADDED TO GASOLINE NOW??
IT SEEMS THAT "DETROIT" REFUSES TO TRY TO ADAPT NOW AND FUTURE CARS TO THE E-10, MUCH LESS THE E-15 FORMULA, SO MAYBE WE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO IMPORT THOSE BRAZILIAN CARS THAT ALREADY HAVE BEEN ADAPTED TO THIS AND/OR EVEN SOME THAT ONLY USE ETHANOL AS ITS SOLE FUEL - DO YOU HEAR ME FORD, GM AND CHRYSLER??
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:51:42 AM

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E15 Gasoline on Horizon
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tessnlu
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:20:29 AM

just read hubcapLA for my thoughts
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:19:14 AM

Disagree with the attempted conclusion underlying the article.
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hubcapLA
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:18:11 AM

Bad decision, ethanol is worthless in any gas tank. It does nothing but reduce mileage and tear up engines and carburators
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:18:01 AM

E-10 stinks. E-15 stinks worse. EPA a wrong headed agency, their regulations are strangling America. Shut em down.
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Bruno44
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:17:32 AM

Ethanol sucks! Found a NON ETHANOL station in Slaton, TX: Accent on N 20th Street, and my mpg has improved average of 5mpg! Get rid of ethanol!
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PetroScopper
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:16:31 AM

I believe the newer vehicles have motors that are made to handle the E15 and above. Unfortunately, I think we will all end up having to adjust to it.
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DirtDauber
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:14:18 AM

Do away with the subsidies, and let it fly by itself. Or sink.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:13:52 AM

as long as pure gas is available, no ethanol crap will be put in my tank..

and any politican in my area who supports that ethanol crap will have one less vote-mine..
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asog75
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:13:19 AM

interesting
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:09:23 AM

not for me or my vehicle, but thanks
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:08:58 AM

I don't consider E15 as gasoline. EToH has its place as a fuel but should not be forced upon those that don't know the difference. And, end the stupid subsidies - let the free market decide.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:07:10 AM

Interesting and just documenting that this post is the last messgage on the "BIG BOARD" at 1:00 AM EST.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:07:07 AM

Thanks for posting this article!
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Rageagainsttm
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:06:29 AM

a very bad idea
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:05:14 AM

Go lobbists
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:04:41 AM

Very bad idea
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GAWalv
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:04:30 AM

no way will I put that crap in my car, it will stay in the garage if that is the only fuel offered. I use only 100% Gasoline.

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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:04:24 AM

Boo!
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:03:05 AM

no thanks
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divebomber
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2012 12:02:28 AM

WHO CARES I'LL NEVER USE IT!
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2012 11:59:25 PM

NO WAY!!!!!!!
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2012 11:58:28 PM

Ok
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2012 11:57:46 PM

not ok
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2012 11:57:33 PM

total crap
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stopforgas
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2012 11:57:15 PM

or the other way around...
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stopforgas
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2012 11:56:45 PM

The loss in mileage doesn't come close to compensating for the slightly lower price.
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2012 11:56:37 PM

I don't care about E15 unless they use food to make it or if they try to force me to buy it.
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mullingspices
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2012 11:56:08 PM

won't work in my car
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2012 11:52:13 PM

Great. My 2001 Focus has no problems with up to E70 so no problems at all going from E10 to E15.
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2012 11:50:33 PM

Great, fuel I can't even use in my 2006 vehicle!
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Dodge_Me
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2012 11:48:40 PM

Hmm, if its anything like E85, no thanks
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2012 11:47:57 PM

interesting...
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FlyNFool
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2012 11:45:19 PM

E10 is a curse, E15 will be even worse!
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2012 11:44:58 PM

ok
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